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the planets often masters almost surely

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have a plan but clearly maybe something

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there beyond the realm of man already

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just in every class book just upon more

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you think you know the less you really

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do that's true dr. Zaius

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where would we know that I was

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all right higher side shatters I hope

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you have those seatbelts securely

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fastened your tray tables locked in your

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seat backs in the full upright position

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because today we're going on yet another

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one of those very wild rides we've come

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to love oh so much because when it comes

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to high strangeness encounters with

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spirits aliens fairies black eyed

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children men in black cryptid creatures

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and the other slices of the paranormal

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pie many researchers have just been

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focusing on the big picture they try to

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take everything in and come up with

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grand unifying theories and if you ask

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me there will always be odd experiences

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that don't fit whatever box you try to

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put them in that just seems to be the

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slippery tricky nature of these things

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but researchers like today's returning

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guests Joshua kuchen have instead honed

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in on cases that contain very specific

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threads and found that sometimes the

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smallest details can contain the biggest

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clues his last book of course was called

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a Trojan feast focusing on the presence

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of food and edible exchanges in these

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encounters and he's followed it up now

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with a new book called the brimstone

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deceit an in-depth examination of

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supernatural scents otherworldly odors

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and monstrous miasmas which clearly

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covers the sense of smell in these cases

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and who doesn't like a party with a

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theme so let's get this one started Josh

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my man welcome back to the higher side

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it is a great pleasure to be here home

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of the best damn intros oh yes you

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always do such a good job of those ah

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well thanks man I do try but I

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appreciate what you do so much more love

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to have in yon last I'm really enjoyed

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this book as well and I actually came

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away learning quite a bit of practical

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information about the sense of smell

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even among all the weirdness and I

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really started to think about just how

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much we take smell for granted when it's

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really quite important and somewhat

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mysterious so to get us warmed up here

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tell us a bit about smell itself the

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mechanics of it and maybe why you took

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this smell based approach to weirdness

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I'd be happy to you know it's one of

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those things as I was doing research for

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this I became more and more fascinated

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just by the history and the sociology

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and the psychology and all the different

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aspects of of olfaction

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as it were and you know it's one of

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those things that I had noticed a long

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time ago is that there are certain

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common elements

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a lot of turnable supernatural phenomena

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where there tend to be similar odors

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that are noticed and it's one of those

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things where people would you know make

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a note of it in a book or something

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maybe maybe dedicate a chapter to it

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here or there but no one ever really

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long-form book on the subject so I felt

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like in order to really do justice to

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that particular topic I had to take a

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deep dive into you know exactly what we

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know about science as it stands now

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today and it's surprising to me how

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little we know it's one of those things

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that's sort of like sleep like we

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understand why we need to sleep and we

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understand that we need it but we don't

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understand exactly why it happens and

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similarly like we understand a lot of

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stuff about sense but we don't still

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understand exactly how it happens there

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are several theories that are out there

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as far as the actual mechanism goes but

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what is apparent and each of the

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different disciplines that I looked into

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is that simp is intimately tied to

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memory so much so that for example

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Alzheimer's patients one of the first

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things that they'll notice is a

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diminished capacity to smell and it's

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not only tied to memory but it's also

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tied to involuntary memory so not

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necessarily the ability to always

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remember but the inability to forget

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that makes sense mm-hmm so if you ever

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encounter an odor that made an

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impression on you earlier in life and

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certain memories and certain emotions

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even associated with that odor will

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immediately be triggered since is one of

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the first senses that actually one of

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the first things that comes online in

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newborn babies and it's intimately tied

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to our limbic system so it's like this

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knee-jerk reaction and you know when

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you're interested in these sort of

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topics of you know manipulation and of

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deception it seems like it would

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definitely be a nice backdoor for some

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sort of intelligence or even you know on

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a more mundane level for you know

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earthbound organizations to sort of use

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this as a source of manipulation yeah

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that was going to be one of my first

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questions for you because the title the

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book the brimstone deceit I mean deceit

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implies some kind of trickery and I've

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heard you say in other interviews as

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well that it's a sense that's right for

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deception I guess do you think that's

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the primary way that smell is used in a

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lot of these strange encounters

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I would argue that it is you know just

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so everybody knows I try to make it a

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point to say this every time I talk

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about the book the brimstone deceit

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sounds like some sort of conservative

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Christian like you know Robert Ludlum

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maybe your subs are very biblical and

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brown novel yeah that's not what it's

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about at all we can give into exactly

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why it's titled that later so yeah it

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does seem I mean if you look at a lot of

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paranormal phenomena in general there is

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this underlying trickster ish aspect

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which I'm sure anybody who is familiar

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with it as run across in the past and

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the fact that scent can so clearly and

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pointedly shape our emotions and our

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perceptions I think is suggestive that

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this is possibly something that is being

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used to deliberately in part well it's

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being used deliberately from

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manipulation one of my favorite

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anecdotes that I came across in the book

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was this account of a small sort of wave

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of Terror that went through this small

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Colorado tale of a spirit that was

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supposedly prowling the streets and it

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was interesting because about half the

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people said that the spirit smelled like

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flowers and looked like a beautiful

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woman and half the people said that it

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looked like some sort of monstrous

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elephant and was shooting fire and the

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smell of brimstone permits trunk so I

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think that you know our expectations can

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be shaped a lot or have the potential to

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be shaped by the way that things smell

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know be it extraterrestrial or spiritual

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or interdimensional learn any of those

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things it would make sense that this

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would be just another Arsenal tool in

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the arsenal rather in order to

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manipulate us to their own end yeah I

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mean I fully agree and so in this book

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you really break things down into three

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categories yeah spirits aliens and UFOs

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and then cryptids and other animal-like

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creatures and of course we know that

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plenty of these cases are going to blur

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the lines a bit but smell wise can you

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break down some of the commonalities

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that pop up within these categories

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absolutely so one of the reasons that

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the book is called the brimstone deceit

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is because probably the most common

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supernatural smell across all those you

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know that specter of

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nominally mentioned is the smell of

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sulfur sulfur oriented smell the smell

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of brimstone I would hesitate to call it

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a majority of smells but I would

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definitely say a plurality of paranormal

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smells thought into that category now

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looking at that you sort of have to

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parse out exactly what that means

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because believe it or not pure sulfur

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does not smell sulfur only usually

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smells when it's burnt or when it's in

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certain compounds but sulfuric smell din

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general comprise the lion's share of

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what you run into in these paranormal

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accounts beyond that you'll find

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recurring themes of combustion a lot of

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times so certain entities and things

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will smell like smoke one of the most

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common ghost smells is the smell of

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smoke but interestingly enough one of

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the most common smells in abductee alien

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advic T encounters is the smell of

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burning hair so you can have this

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combustion motif that sort of rears its

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floral smells are not uncommon you find

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those in hauntings where there's an

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allegedly a female spirit you'll also

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find them in some early contactee

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literature then you have animalistic

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smells that you're running to a

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sasquatch and stuff and you also have

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this sort of minor motif of ozone

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occurring every element after exorcisms

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ozone and supposedly ectoplasm

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manifested in seances smells like ozone

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really follows UFOs that ozone is

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something of a minor meme in terms of

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UFO smell but it crops up quite

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frequently so it's interesting that

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there's a constellation of odors that

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tend to rear their heads time and again

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in these different phenomena which to me

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implies that there's perhaps some sort

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of if not shared origin of these

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experiences these phenomena perhaps

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shared methodology between the phenomena

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yeah I think that's a great little

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overview and something that did sort of

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surprise me that you kind of mentioned

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beyond just the smell of sulfur is that

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female spirit entities often have a

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flowery or perfume like smell and male

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spirits tend to smell like smoke which

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is interesting but you know should we

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really be assuming gender in 2017 Josh

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well you know as much as I like to take

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the piss out of stuff like that you know

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it's it is interesting because

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sort of comes back to this idea of being

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manipulated this idea of our

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expectations being formed by getting

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these sort of odors you know we're

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noticing the Tory voters these

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encounters if you take something like

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for example smoking it was just as

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prevalent among both sexes during a lot

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of the time period that supposedly a lot

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of these hauntings come from you know

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the 19th century or whatnot and

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similarly on-balance cologne has been

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used since antiquity and yet whenever

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people smell smoke and a haunting they

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go oh with this you know it's the spirit

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of a man or you know whatever they smell

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some sort of pleasant smell they say oh

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it's just you know it's the spirit of a

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woman who you know is searching for her

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long-lost lover or something like that

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so I I can't help but I mean

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maybe's is that simple maybe it is that

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cut-and-dry

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but if there is a possibility that

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something behind the veil would wish to

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impart some sort of you know

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gender-based assumptions upon a witness

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it would make sense to use those things

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because of the way that we frame them in

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our culture mm-hmm yeah and even when

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it's not deception on the part of the

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entity itself I mean smell seems to be

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kind of an area where people's personal

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testimonies I would think wouldn't be

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quite as accurate as what they see or

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feel what do you say yes it's quite

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difficult I mean so people will talk all

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day about you know certain problems with

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eyewitness testimony you know even in

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something as mundane as a car crash but

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you know smell is even more rifle with

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some problems that's one of the things

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that was difficult to chip away when

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writing this book there's a phenomena

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that olfactory scientists talk about

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quite often which is called the tip of

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the nose phenomena sort of a play on the

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term tip of the tongue where you can't

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quite think of a word but you know what

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the word is well similarly people will

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be able to identify an odor more than

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they can actually put words to what that

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odor is mm-hmm

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so you do run into things like people

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saying oh it smelled like you know the

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you I saw the UFO depart and it smelled

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like lightning well lightning doesn't

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have a smell the lightning create shows

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them you know specifically to the to the

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trends that I noticed in the book people

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would often say it smelled like sulfur

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or smelled like brimstone well again as

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we said you know best gemstones sulfur

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doesn't really smell unless you burn it

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and that's actually sulfur dioxide

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unless it's present in decomposition and

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that's hydrogen sulfide so you have to

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sort of look for other context clues

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that people tend to include and lump in

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there so if someone were to say it

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smelled like sulfur like like a rotten

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egg well that definitely means hydrogen

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sulfide because wherever there's

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decomposition of organic material in the

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absence oxygen that's hydrogen sulfide

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so it's really more about trying to get

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to the heart of what people mean rather

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than what they say in a lot of these

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encounters well decomposition of organic

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material is such a key phrase I mean

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that's kind of the point of examining

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things from these kind of side angles is

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trying to get insight into the big

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picture I mean what kind of clues does

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this sulfur smell give us into

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situations of paranormal encounters I

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mean it must mean something the

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decomposition of organic material seems

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like a key phrase there yeah I mean it's

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interesting if you try to find some sort

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of overarching theme to a lot of these

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different odors you sort of become stuck

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on the idea of entropy you know a lot of

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people describe decaying odors like

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sasquatch smelling like rotten meat or

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you know I'm sulfur again as one of the

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compounds that are released when there's

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organic decomposition learning

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combustion or similarly an entropic

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phenomena as well so for specifically to

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that exact odor and that exact problem

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that incident entails

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raises quite a few questions for example

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if these phenomena are capable of

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controlling the way they smell and they

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wish to not be noticed they really

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couldn't have picked anything worse than

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sulfur it's mind blowing like I had to

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sort of rein myself in because when I

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was writing this I kept on finding these

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interesting things that I could have

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just written a book on smell about

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because some of the stuff I found out a

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bunch of human smell the way that we

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interact with olfaction is really

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fascinating but to the point of sulfur

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we are more sensitive to sulfur

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compounds than just about any other

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compound olfactory speaking and that's

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the reason that household gas smell the

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way that it does household gas is

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actually odorless files which are sulfur

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compounds are actually added to the gas

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to provide us a warning because the

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detection level for these compounds is

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so extremely low my favorite example

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that I like to talk about is hydrogen

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sulfide which again is that rotten egg

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smell it's probably the most common of

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this

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odor and we are sensitive to the

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detection threshold for hydrogen sulfide

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is two parts per billion and to put that

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in perspective if I took an ink dropper

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and dropped it in the back of a

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semi-truck carrier filled with water

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that drop of ink would be twice the

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concentration of two parts per billion

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so yeah it's I'm sorry point zero five

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parts per billion not two parts per

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billion yeah it's fascinating

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we're fascinatingly sensitive to

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hydrogen sulfide that's why man I mean

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this kind of built-in susceptibility to

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the sulfuric smell and its association

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with spirits is pretty odd it might be a

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clue it's interesting from a

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developmental perspective evolutionary

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perspective isn't it well to be fair

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hydrogen sulfide which we can detect it

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you know that half a part per billion is

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a very toxic gas you know theoretically

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any gas that you get more of an oxygen

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can be toxic but hydrogen sulfide is

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something that is actually quite

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dangerous and has been linked to some

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some mass extinction events as well but

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you have to also look at the other

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things that sort of sensitivity to

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sulfur compounds allows human beings to

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do I mean it allows us to avoid spoiled

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food which might get a sick it allows us

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to know when you know an aspect of our

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particular biome might be contaminated

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with something like feces or it were

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corpse or something so it's more about

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preserving hygiene and humans than

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anything else hmm that's fair and let's

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step back to UFOs smelling like ozone

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ozone is a smell I don't even know if I

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could identify that smell but is it

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different enough from sulfur that it

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could almost suggest we are dealing with

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two different categories well there's

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there's a real problematic history

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between ozone and sulfur as long as one

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of those smells that I don't think

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anyone knows until they recognize it but

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they don't realize that they recognize

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it I think is the best way to put it

436
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there's a contentious history between

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sulfur and ozone specifically so in

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terms of classical literature you know

439
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ancient Greek literature it was thought

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that the design with

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Carl you know Thunderbolts from the sky

442
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and the resulting smell was that a

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sulphur nowadays we know that's ozone

444
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but this connection was so close that

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the terms for the divine and sulfur were

446
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actually linked cos in the in terms of

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the divine and say on in terms of sulfur

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which is where we got that term file

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that I mentioned later you also see this

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echoed in Abrahamic thought where a lot

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of times in the Bible for example

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whenever God seeks to clean something he

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uses sulfur he uses you know fire and

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brimstone because sulfur was actually

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one of the first fumigants it's an

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antimicrobial agent so it was the idea

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of you know God wanting to cleanse away

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sin it's kind of interesting that you

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know when Satan was supposedly cast into

460
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the lake of fire and brimstone had less

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to do with Satan smelling bad because

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he's evil and more this was you know

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God's attempt to cleanse Satan with the

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purifying essence of brimstone of sulfur

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so you have this conflation between

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sulfur and the divine and ozone coming

467
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from lightning bolts and this conflation

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continued to the fact that even such

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people as Benjamin Franklin actually

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sort of conflated the to set talking

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about you know the smell of sulfur after

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lightning strikes and you know what

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there was even uh some Victorian

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literature that used to say that the

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reason people would you know seek the

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sea air to be healed is because of the

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ozone in the air well ironically enough

478
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it's actually dimethyl sulfide that we

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associate with the smell of the sea side

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so sulfur and ozone have been switched

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around quite a bit over the years I have

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a tough time believing nowadays that

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people would mistake ozone for sulfur

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you know it that's why I like to have

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those additional clues like saying it

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smelled like sulfur like a rotten egg

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because if anyone has ever been near a

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lightning strike it doesn't smell like a

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rotten eggs ozone has more of a peppery

490
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quality so you'll find a lot of people

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in the UFO literature who want to say

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well Witnesses are just smelling ozone

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and mistaking it for sulfur but you know

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I kind of have a problem with that

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because if you're what you're wanting to

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take their testimony on face value as is

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if you walk that logic back far enough

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you're going to be saying that they saw

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you know a weather balloon you're going

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to be saying they saw Venus because

501
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you're going to constantly be casting

502
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down on them to discern what they are

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actually experiencing so I think that it

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seems more likely to me that perhaps

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there is

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two different odors going on both sulfur

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and ozone it's interesting hydrogen

508
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sulfide and ozone are actually reactive

509
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together huh so it makes sense that

510
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perhaps there would be you know some

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sort of interaction for example if you

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take hydrogen sulfide and ozone they

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reacts to form water and sulfur dioxide

514
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so again another common smell and UFO

515
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sightings is sulfur dioxides that sort

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of fireworks gunpowder smell that we

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associate with sulfur and then you also

518
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have a lot of UFOs you know sightings

519
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near water so we have every aspect of

520
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this equation hydrogen sulfide ozone

521
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water and sulfur dioxide seen in a

522
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plethora of UFO encounters yeah you're

523
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becoming quite the smell expert it's

524
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pretty awesome but I hated chemistry in

525
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high school that's the ironic speech

526
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well I mean smell is definitely probably

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my most finicky sense because I have

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terrible allergies but again that

529
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age-old question is if a lot of these

530
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things are like aliens Bigfoot encrypted

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are they physical creatures or something

532
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multi-dimensional in nature and at least

533
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in that case because you talked about

534
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you know Bigfoot and some of the

535
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animal-like cryptids having a terrible

536
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musk does this help and maybe separating

537
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flesh-and-blood cryptids from

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dimensional stuff lean on I'm sort of

539
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reminded of the way a previous guest

540
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that I admire of yours my Cleland has

541
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sort of structured his research around

542
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owls so if you talk to someone like Mike

543
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you know a lot of what he talks about

544
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our Hal owls tends to appear around

545
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synchronicities around UFO events but at

546
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the same time like and sometimes the

547
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owls are weird and sometimes owls are

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00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:13,400
just owls yeah my greenness it was

549
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,590
definitely admitting that well similarly

550
00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:17,600
I look at something like Bigfoot which

551
00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:20,750
even though a lot of the cryptozoologist

552
00:20:24,670 --> 00:20:22,220
out there don't want to admit it has a

553
00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:24,680
lot of weird stuff surrounding it his

554
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:26,750
eyes glow at night in some cases you

555
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:29,090
know you find sets of tracks that

556
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:30,650
disappear in the middle of fields you

557
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,450
see you see people see Bigfoot in

558
00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:34,880
conjunction with UFO sightings so all

559
00:20:38,590 --> 00:20:36,680
these things sort of add up to me to

560
00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:38,600
suggest that we're seeing something that

561
00:20:42,970 --> 00:20:41,420
may not quite be a

562
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:42,980
blood primate even though I'm very

563
00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:44,570
sympathetic to that but what's

564
00:20:47,950 --> 00:20:45,950
interesting is if you look at the sorts

565
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:47,960
of smells that are encountered in these

566
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:50,090
run-ins with Bigfoot they tend to

567
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:52,250
roughly line up to being more sulfurous

568
00:20:58,900 --> 00:20:55,490
smells or more you know non-organic

569
00:21:00,970 --> 00:20:58,910
sort of smells when a Bigfoot is seen in

570
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:00,980
some sort of high strange capacity when

571
00:21:05,170 --> 00:21:03,290
Bigfoot is has glowing eyes when Bigfoot

572
00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:05,180
seems impervious to gunfire that's when

573
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:06,760
you get these odors that aren't like

574
00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:08,570
animalistic odors and when you know

575
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:10,520
Bigfoot seems like a giant monkey

576
00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:11,810
running around the woods that's when you

577
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:13,040
get people saying oh we smelled like

578
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,510
ammonia it smelled like your or any

579
00:21:19,330 --> 00:21:16,640
smelled like wet dog he smelled like

580
00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:19,340
skunk etc etc so perhaps we have some

581
00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:21,920
sort of phenomena that not unlike you

582
00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:24,590
know my clones owls is using the sort of

583
00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:27,380
iconography of a flesh-and-blood animal

584
00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:29,150
for whatever reason to sort of present

585
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,310
itself to witnesses on some occasions

586
00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:32,960
that's the way that I like to try to

587
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,520
make everybody happy I don't know I

588
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:36,320
don't know if it will or not but you

589
00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:39,710
know it that's my fake yeah well you

590
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:41,420
mentioned earlier entities inducing

591
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:43,310
smells too and you do have a story in

592
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:45,890
the book about a woman in England who

593
00:21:50,110 --> 00:21:48,170
claims she smells fish just before

594
00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:50,120
negative events in her life and that she

595
00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:51,710
considers that a warning from the

596
00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:53,870
spirits and that's obviously a nice

597
00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:55,820
thing to have but it also is a bit of an

598
00:22:04,290 --> 00:21:58,760
indication that they can induce smells

599
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:04,300
if they so choose yes you do see

600
00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:07,850
incongruous smells popping up from time

601
00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:09,740
to time sometimes there are mundane

602
00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:11,660
explanations for it for example there

603
00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:12,740
are some people who claim to have

604
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,740
noticed the smell of peppermints around

605
00:22:19,090 --> 00:22:17,840
Gettysburg Pennsylvania and as it turns

606
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:19,100
out peppermint was one of the things

607
00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:20,750
that they used to hang outside to sort

608
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:22,670
of prevent the stench of the battlefield

609
00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:25,010
reaching the doors so sometimes you have

610
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,350
really easily explainable odors like

611
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:28,880
that but then you do stuff like you know

612
00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:31,010
the smell of fish or like there's tales

613
00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:32,990
of for example sasquatch supposedly

614
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:35,270
changing odor mid and counter you know

615
00:22:39,730 --> 00:22:36,860
being able to being able to sort of

616
00:22:42,420 --> 00:22:39,740
self-select what it smells like so it

617
00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:42,430
does suggest that there's some sort of

618
00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:45,500
consciousness based level with which

619
00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:46,820
these sort of odors are interacting with

620
00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:48,440
us there was another example in the book

621
00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:50,840
of a pair of ghost hunters in Michigan

622
00:22:55,030 --> 00:22:53,750
who one of them they both could smell

623
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:55,040
this particular

624
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:57,170
really pungent body odor smell and the

625
00:22:59,890 --> 00:22:58,250
site that they were work they were

626
00:23:01,570 --> 00:22:59,900
working at which was supposedly haunted

627
00:23:03,910 --> 00:23:01,580
but what's interesting is that one of

628
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,920
them was a nas m'q they actually

629
00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:05,840
couldn't smell this individual couldn't

630
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,790
smell at all yet somehow this one odor

631
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:09,440
was able to get through to them and was

632
00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:11,690
confirmed by their companions so it's

633
00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:13,400
interesting it seems to me that perhaps

634
00:23:16,930 --> 00:23:14,600
we're dealing with something that can

635
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:16,940
sort of bypass a lot of these things and

636
00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:19,540
use this sort of olfactory information

637
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:23,750
at a more intimate level hmm that's

638
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,330
interesting man and when it comes to

639
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:28,400
other cryptids besides Bigfoot I mean of

640
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,650
course Bigfoot when it is thought to be

641
00:23:34,540 --> 00:23:32,480
a flesh-and-blood creature and that

642
00:23:36,610 --> 00:23:34,550
again when a person has an encounter if

643
00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:36,620
you kind of get to their the category

644
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:38,030
they want to put it in they could maybe

645
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,890
identify a smell that would fit their

646
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:42,080
like a dank musk for Bigfoot if they

647
00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:43,490
think it's a real thing but when it

648
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:45,680
comes to other cryptids do we get that

649
00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:48,530
same dank musk smell reported that would

650
00:23:54,670 --> 00:23:51,430
have indicated something physical

651
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,680
sometimes I mean on hairy hominids of

652
00:23:58,810 --> 00:23:57,200
all sorts or hairy humanoids is probably

653
00:24:01,030 --> 00:23:58,820
more accurate term of all sorts you do

654
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:01,040
run into that so suppose the tales of

655
00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:03,250
goat men suppose a tales of dog men

656
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,660
you'll find that but you also find you

657
00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:07,730
know in equal parts this sulfur odor

658
00:24:12,550 --> 00:24:10,430
rearing its head with stuff like water

659
00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:12,560
cryptids like the Loch Ness monster or

660
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:13,820
you know champ

661
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:15,980
from Lake Champlain you tend to find

662
00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:18,140
more animalistic smells and like the

663
00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:21,860
fishy reptilian sort of odor so it's

664
00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:23,390
interesting because the farther away you

665
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:25,880
get from phenomena that could be

666
00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:27,710
explained in a materialistic

667
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:29,870
flesh-and-blood sort of way the more of

668
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:32,330
this copious odor sort of creeps into

669
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:34,250
the picture you know a lot of people

670
00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:35,900
will hear that and I don't necessarily

671
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:37,790
think they're wrong it's not the past

672
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:39,110
that I go down in the book but I don't

673
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:41,240
necessarily think they're wrong that

674
00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:43,490
implies some sort of demonic activity

675
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:45,500
where I come from as I'm not entirely

676
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:46,730
sure that we know enough about what

677
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:48,650
demonic activity really is he would say

678
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:50,180
you know oh it's demonic well okay

679
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:51,710
that's great what does that mean yes a

680
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,410
lot of the time yeah it is but you know

681
00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:55,520
it's interesting there definitely seems

682
00:24:59,770 --> 00:24:57,860
to be that the farther you stray from

683
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,780
possible you know scientific

684
00:25:02,770 --> 00:25:01,520
explanations and a biological students

685
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:02,780
for a lot of these entities the more you

686
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:04,280
do encounter odors you wouldn't normally

687
00:25:08,899 --> 00:25:06,440
associate with these things for example

688
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,909
the chupacabra flap and

689
00:25:13,099 --> 00:25:11,460
whoa Rico a lot of times people say that

690
00:25:14,509 --> 00:25:13,109
the chupacabra not only Semitic sulfur

691
00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:14,519
but can also smell like paint Center

692
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,659
which isn't something you'd ever say

693
00:25:18,919 --> 00:25:17,279
contact an animal to smell like

694
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:18,929
so yeah the farther away you get from

695
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,609
rational explanation the more these

696
00:25:25,009 --> 00:25:23,039
really odd outlier or I'm odd

697
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,019
non-organic smells creep into the

698
00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:27,539
picture yeah Chupacabra is a weird one I

699
00:25:31,639 --> 00:25:29,639
don't even think I know exactly what a

700
00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:31,649
chupacabra supposed to look like let

701
00:25:35,479 --> 00:25:33,599
alone smell like because the description

702
00:25:37,489 --> 00:25:35,489
seemed to range from a doglike creature

703
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,499
to something more reptilian or even

704
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:39,840
insect looking with spikes all over it

705
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,470
it seems like a hard one to pin down

706
00:25:46,219 --> 00:25:44,580
yeah it's kind of interesting you know

707
00:25:49,999 --> 00:25:46,229
the chupacabra in its current

708
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,009
incarnation didn't really I mean I said

709
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,080
there was vampiric lore in Puerto Rico

710
00:25:56,539 --> 00:25:54,320
but it didn't really like completely

711
00:25:59,629 --> 00:25:56,549
congeal in the way that we think of the

712
00:26:01,580 --> 00:25:59,639
chupacabra until like the 90s in Puerto

713
00:26:03,619 --> 00:26:01,590
Rico and it was originally depicted as

714
00:26:06,229 --> 00:26:03,629
basically like a little kangaroo legged

715
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:06,239
grey alien with spikes along its back it

716
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:07,830
would you know that runaround

717
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:09,720
exsanguinating livestock you know

718
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:12,210
specifically goats Chupacabra some of

719
00:26:16,729 --> 00:26:13,649
the sucker of goats is what it comes

720
00:26:20,769 --> 00:26:16,739
from but unfortunately sometime suppose

721
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:20,779
around like 2003 2004 someone shot a

722
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,210
canine with mange in Texas yeah and saw

723
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:25,919
some pronounced canine teeth on it and

724
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:27,570
said oh it must be you know this must be

725
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:29,809
the chupacabra so now people refer to

726
00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:32,460
chupacabras as being these sort of

727
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:34,590
doglike creatures that are found in the

728
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:36,090
southwest it's interesting you know that

729
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:37,769
a lot of these things are being shot in

730
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:39,450
the southwest and being claimed to be

731
00:26:45,499 --> 00:26:41,809
chupacabras don't quite line up to

732
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,509
coyote or or you know domestic dog or

733
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:48,539
coyote domestic dogs hybrid morphology

734
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,070
it's interesting to note that but in

735
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:52,320
terms of this connection to the Puerto

736
00:26:55,609 --> 00:26:53,460
Rican phenomena yeah

737
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,619
and name only but you know let's go

738
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,179
ahead and pursue this a little bit these

739
00:27:00,889 --> 00:26:58,799
Texas blue dogs is interesting some

740
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:00,899
people have claimed that perhaps there

741
00:27:06,139 --> 00:27:03,779
is some sort of mutational factor

742
00:27:07,729 --> 00:27:06,149
impacting these dogs on an embryonic

743
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,739
stage and they're actually citing

744
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:09,779
sulphur dioxide emissions from coal

745
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,330
plants in South Texas again sort of a

746
00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:14,220
tangental sulphur connection there

747
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:16,019
even though the blue dogs don't smell

748
00:27:18,469 --> 00:27:17,460
there's still that sulfur connection

749
00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:18,479
that you can look for if you look hard

750
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:19,390
enough

751
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:22,750
hmm yeah man and I also love this other

752
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:24,490
slice of sightings that I guess could be

753
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:26,770
called phantom animals or these big

754
00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:29,530
black cats and big black dogs then you

755
00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:31,270
see at the crossroads which is a real

756
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:34,059
provocative subject to me they say if

757
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:35,530
you perform certain rituals at the

758
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:36,850
crossroads you know you go there the

759
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:39,220
first night to do the thing you come

760
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:41,260
back the second night and it's common to

761
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:43,210
see some phantom animals lurking around

762
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:45,130
and if that doesn't scare you out of

763
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:47,290
coming back the third night then you

764
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:48,940
meet the man himself and you can make

765
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:52,000
some type of deal to be able to play a

766
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,100
guitar or you know whatever you need

767
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:56,799
they hooked up but again that sulfur

768
00:28:00,659 --> 00:27:58,450
smell comes up in some of these cases

769
00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:00,669
which helps to indicate it's not some

770
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:02,350
type of hallucination that there's

771
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:04,750
something happening in these instances

772
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:06,700
yeah I mean that's the other thing that

773
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:08,230
I found really compelling is you know

774
00:28:10,919 --> 00:28:09,400
I'm definitely one of these people who

775
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:10,929
think that there is some sort of

776
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:13,870
objective reality to hallucinations

777
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:15,549
quote-unquote hallucinations that are

778
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:17,470
seen an altered state I think sometimes

779
00:28:20,669 --> 00:28:18,520
I think it's like dreams you know I

780
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:20,679
think that sometimes you have big dreams

781
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:22,270
and little dreams and your little dreams

782
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:23,770
are like you know I was walking down the

783
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:26,290
street and a dog came up to me and shift

784
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:28,750
my hand you know and put a cream pie on

785
00:28:31,530 --> 00:28:29,950
my head you know just silly nonsense

786
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:31,540
agree I think sometimes they're big

787
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:32,950
dreams that are profound that say

788
00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:34,780
something that has some sort of that

789
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:36,280
sort of been a bump up against reality a

790
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:38,140
little bit mm-hmm and similarly I think

791
00:28:42,539 --> 00:28:40,450
you know you have little hallucinations

792
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:42,549
and big hallucinations I think sometimes

793
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:44,290
some of the things that people see in

794
00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:46,990
altered states are you know completely

795
00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:48,040
inconsequential

796
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:50,140
you know silliness and their byproducts

797
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:51,190
of the brain but sometimes I think

798
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,770
there's legitimate entity encounter in

799
00:29:00,900 --> 00:28:56,320
those states what's interesting to me is

800
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:00,910
that hallucinating smells are not often

801
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:04,120
if ever encountered under the influence

802
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:06,610
of psychedelics for example yeah you do

803
00:29:10,919 --> 00:29:08,650
find it as you know as a neurological

804
00:29:13,409 --> 00:29:10,929
disorder but you don't find it as

805
00:29:15,299 --> 00:29:13,419
something that is produced as what we

806
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:15,309
would you know assume a hallucination to

807
00:29:20,669 --> 00:29:17,470
be so it implies that as weird as these

808
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:20,679
things get and as far out as I would

809
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:24,010
like to suggest the reality of these

810
00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:26,230
things are there is an objective

811
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:28,950
component to what they are mm-hmm

812
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:31,560
yeah man and you mentioned water

813
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:33,290
monsters a little bit earlier and

814
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,250
something that I thought was weird in

815
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,440
the book is people refer to them as

816
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:40,020
smelling like a snake which I don't even

817
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,410
think is a smell I could identify either

818
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:44,580
you know it's interesting have you ever

819
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:45,870
been to like a pet store that

820
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,090
specialized a patrol logical pet store

821
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:51,000
that specializes in reptiles I'm sure I

822
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:52,830
have at some point but not really that I

823
00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:54,750
recall it once you want to find out what

824
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:56,550
a snake smelled like just next time you

825
00:29:59,960 --> 00:29:58,440
see a reptile pet shop like just go in

826
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,970
there and you will not forget it cuz

827
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:02,820
it's a map again it's one of the things

828
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:03,990
we look at the way that people try to

829
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:08,280
describe it they tend to compare it to

830
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:10,170
other things that it doesn't really

831
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,490
quite smell like people will say you

832
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:13,500
know it's skunky they'll say it's you

833
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,420
know musky or they'll say it's musty

834
00:30:18,890 --> 00:30:17,460
with your you know terms that are really

835
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:18,900
problematic in a completely different

836
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:21,420
way because you normally associate must

837
00:30:25,550 --> 00:30:23,970
with dust in the musk with animals but

838
00:30:27,650 --> 00:30:25,560
at the same time you know you have male

839
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:27,660
animals who are a must who are releasing

840
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:31,530
musk so it's this is complex thing but

841
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:33,210
whenever people try to explain that you

842
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:34,260
like something like the smell of

843
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:36,330
reptiles in the case of these these

844
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:37,860
water monsters like champ from Lake

845
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,490
Champlain

846
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:40,200
they really do tend to grasp at straws

847
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:42,210
which makes the whole thing you know

848
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,950
more difficult to parse out exactly what

849
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:45,600
they mean so you know a lot of this is

850
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:48,810
best guess yeah and it's kind of funny

851
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:51,660
it reminds me of a Lewis black comedy

852
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:54,420
bit where he talks about marketing in

853
00:30:58,790 --> 00:30:57,030
foods and he's like he talks about the

854
00:31:01,160 --> 00:30:58,800
word tangy and he's like they use this

855
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,170
word tangy and it doesn't mean anything

856
00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:03,690
it's a it's kind of a [\h__\h] saying

857
00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:06,540
that marketers made up and kind of terms

858
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:09,390
like musty weird smells have kind of

859
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:11,550
that same quality it's like there's

860
00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:13,830
common words we use for them but when we

861
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:15,540
get down to it's like well those are

862
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,370
kind of odd descriptors

863
00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:19,860
yeah and it's I mean sometimes they're

864
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,180
accurate but what they could possibly

865
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:23,940
mean is it's a really wide margin yeah

866
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:26,790
so and also obviously you have a lot of

867
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:30,240
great encounters with cryptids peppered

868
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,770
throughout the book is there a

869
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:34,500
particular cryptid story that you like

870
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:37,920
that you could tell us about oh man um

871
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:42,360
lean on so the primary part of this book

872
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,780
is dedicated to spirits which I say

873
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:47,700
spirits because that you know I wanted a

874
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:50,010
lump demonology and you know supposedly

875
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:51,720
been countered with Satan stuff in there

876
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:55,230
to UFOs and sasquatch but you know

877
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:56,760
there's an entire last chapter that's

878
00:32:02,420 --> 00:31:59,460
just sort of the catch-all and I think

879
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:02,430
one of my favorites cryptid encounters

880
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,550
from that would have to be some of these

881
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:08,100
really really strange cryptids that

882
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:10,920
people see like flying cryptids yeah you

883
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:13,320
know it's it's something that you know

884
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:18,000
it's easy to write off sasquatches

885
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:19,290
perhaps you know some sort of relic

886
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:22,170
hominid or it's it's easy to you know

887
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:24,150
supposedly say that maybe you know

888
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:27,030
Nessie is a pleaseö source um thing but

889
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:29,310
you know I it's interesting to see these

890
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:31,230
these flying things and these sort of

891
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:33,300
flying creatures one of the interesting

892
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:34,620
ones that I really always enjoyed

893
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,510
hearing about was the van Meter visitor

894
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:38,640
which was supposedly this gargoyle that

895
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:41,390
descended upon this Iowa town in 1903

896
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:44,970
and basically for a couple of days I

897
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:46,530
think it was just people were seeing

898
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:48,210
this thing and there was the town doctor

899
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:50,190
like shot at it with a shotgun and they

900
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:52,140
were think they were even you know two

901
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,670
of these things were running around town

902
00:32:57,860 --> 00:32:55,740
and everybody claimed that it just

903
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,870
smelled awful it smelled putrid it

904
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,700
smelled of overpowering of course

905
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:01,140
frustrating for somebody like me they

906
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:02,460
don't exactly say what that means

907
00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:03,720
because that could mean a lot of things

908
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:06,180
yeah but it's one of those weird stories

909
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:07,260
that really doesn't seem to have a

910
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,790
resolution I mean according to local

911
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:10,200
lore they ran these things down an old

912
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:11,070
mineshaft

913
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:14,250
but it's one of those things that I like

914
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:16,170
because it doesn't fit into anybody's

915
00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:17,670
box you know there people will come

916
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:19,020
along and say okay I'll take that but

917
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:20,700
I'll put that on my alien box but no it

918
00:33:25,010 --> 00:33:23,370
doesn't sorry yeah that's not it doesn't

919
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,020
fit there you know I'll put that in my

920
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:26,640
cryptid box nope doesn't fit there

921
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:27,810
nothing in the fossil record like that

922
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,110
I'll let you man yeah I love stuff like

923
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:33,120
that the things that continues to stump

924
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:35,370
people I love mm-hmm

925
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:37,710
flying creatures are great because they

926
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:40,650
are kind of the most epic and in a weird

927
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:43,500
way they almost seem I mean obviously

928
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:45,300
there's not much of a fossil record but

929
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:46,890
they almost seem more possible because

930
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:48,570
they could get away quickly they could

931
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:51,930
hide maybe easier but there is one in

932
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:52,920
the book that you talk about that I

933
00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:53,520
loved

934
00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:56,430
it's a sighting in a Chilean copper

935
00:34:01,700 --> 00:33:59,070
again - Oh ceated with a flying creature

936
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,710
but seen by multiple people with which

937
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:03,960
of course I always like and when we're

938
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,310
talking about Minds we're also talking

939
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:07,710
about deep passages into the earth which

940
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:10,169
is another sweet spot for me but they

941
00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:11,550
have this thing that flew over their

942
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:13,429
heads and it was described as having

943
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,409
wings with brownish feathers long

944
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:18,720
snake-like body with bright scales and

945
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:22,530
the head of a lobster and it smelled

946
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:25,050
like burnt arsenic which you know good

947
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:27,570
job identifying burnt arsenic yeah

948
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:29,130
exactly when we try to remember what

949
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,290
that smells like right yeah I love that

950
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:33,000
that's another one that I love because

951
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:34,770
it is one of those things the you know

952
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,330
ufologists will come along and grab

953
00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:38,040
those and try to throw it in the UFO

954
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:40,620
basket but I think you know if it was if

955
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:42,090
it was a spaceship I think people would

956
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,500
have been more inclined this was like

957
00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:46,440
1868 so the ideas of Jules Verne and you

958
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:47,840
know dirigibles and things like that

959
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:50,070
they're kind of in the consciousness and

960
00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:51,690
to say that like it it had a head of a

961
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,120
lobster it's just it's wonderfully I'm

962
00:35:00,320 --> 00:34:56,280
like apparently was a lobster headed

963
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:00,330
flying snake with thick hair and these

964
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:03,030
brownish feathers and it was a Chilean

965
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:04,350
copper mine that it appeared out in

966
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:06,030
front of and people thought it was the

967
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:08,460
devil supposedly some people had

968
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:09,990
remembered that you know you're in years

969
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,670
past that appeared again but you know I

970
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,740
just have no idea what to make of that

971
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:15,180
no idea what to make of that

972
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:17,010
yeah it almost sounds like they drilled

973
00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:18,540
too deep and unleashed some kind of

974
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:21,030
Lovecraftian horror v ellos bill do I

975
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:23,430
give the dwarves rather delve to deeper

976
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:27,930
I just loved that one and uh you know

977
00:35:31,850 --> 00:35:29,970
there's other flying dragon like

978
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:31,860
sightings in the book too oh I always

979
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:33,780
thought dragon stories were interesting

980
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:35,610
because they're so cross-cultural and

981
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,700
they could have possibly been survivors

982
00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:40,560
of the dinosaur era I mean is out there

983
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:42,600
as that is we do have a history of an

984
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:44,790
era that was dominated by large reptiles

985
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:46,710
but what are your thoughts on the

986
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:48,390
category of dragons I mean do these

987
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,370
sightings carry on today or do they seem

988
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:52,440
to be like hundreds of years old in most

989
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:54,510
cases you know as much as I want to

990
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:56,730
endorse the idea possible you know

991
00:36:01,610 --> 00:35:59,010
dragon sightings I do kind of love the

992
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:01,620
idea of dragons being an amalgamation of

993
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:03,930
what we feared as primates you know we

994
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,680
feared hawks and we feared lizards so we

995
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:09,540
sort of in our primitive ate brains we

996
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,230
mash those

997
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:12,359
together into dragons and these talons

998
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,580
flying these as like the ultimate terror

999
00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:16,800
but yeah if you look hard enough people

1000
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:18,840
are still seeing things like dragons

1001
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,150
from time to time I think long strip

1002
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,280
we're over at phantoms and monsters had

1003
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:25,260
something just as recently as maybe six

1004
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,210
seven months ago or somebody I think it

1005
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:29,460
was New Jersey or some somewhere in the

1006
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:31,230
Northeast supposedly saw like this

1007
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:34,290
dragon flying through the clouds one of

1008
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:35,550
my one of my favorite stories in the

1009
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,109
book because of sort of the direction

1010
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,440
that it goes in is supposedly in 1895

1011
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:41,940
and of course these old newspapers you

1012
00:36:46,099 --> 00:36:43,140
have sort of take with a grain of salt

1013
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,109
but supposedly in 1895 a newspaper

1014
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,940
around San Francisco mentioned that

1015
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:49,920
these children had been frightened by

1016
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:51,990
this dragon that was dwelling in an

1017
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:54,359
abandoned mind and if you if you look at

1018
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:55,950
what the kids described they said that

1019
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:57,630
they smelled this musky odor coming off

1020
00:37:01,340 --> 00:36:59,460
the dragon and they said they were

1021
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:01,350
gathering poppies so I kind of wonder if

1022
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:03,150
this is an assembly Vale maybe this was

1023
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,460
maybe this was some sort of code for a

1024
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:07,920
drug pickup or something San Francisco

1025
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,630
poppies a musky odor yeah but you know

1026
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:14,700
you do find these stories and it's like

1027
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,470
anything that I talk about I'm sure that

1028
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,500
90% of the stories in this book are

1029
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:21,660
garbage but if there's even you know if

1030
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:24,330
there's even 1% of the stories that I

1031
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,609
have in this book that have some sort of

1032
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,260
real truth to it and that's that's a

1033
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:29,880
huge deal yeah so you know you have a

1034
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,470
sort of you have to get out your big

1035
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:33,420
interesting if true basket and carry it

1036
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:34,770
around with you and Chuck stuff in there

1037
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:36,810
and go yeah I mean you might not see a

1038
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:38,850
lobster headed flying serpents all the

1039
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:42,359
time but you only need one Flying

1040
00:37:47,330 --> 00:37:44,040
Spaghetti Monster go amen

1041
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:47,340
so to dig deeper into the aliens and UFO

1042
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,170
category you do say that a lot of

1043
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,900
thought has clearly gone into spirit

1044
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:53,880
smells but a lot of science has gone

1045
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,550
into the subject in the UFO category can

1046
00:38:00,980 --> 00:37:59,520
you elaborate on that yeah so I mean I

1047
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:00,990
love ghost hunters I know some ghost

1048
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,270
hunters and I think that they have some

1049
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:05,119
of the best

1050
00:38:09,939 --> 00:38:07,130
have the most easily replicable job in

1051
00:38:11,469 --> 00:38:09,949
terms of you know the easiest wall to

1052
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:11,479
climb in terms of proving something

1053
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:12,529
because a lot of people are open to

1054
00:38:16,509 --> 00:38:14,089
those ideas yeah but at the same time

1055
00:38:19,329 --> 00:38:16,519
they have a tendency to take things and

1056
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:19,339
I think sometimes even worse than you

1057
00:38:23,499 --> 00:38:21,049
apologist which is kind of a thing that

1058
00:38:24,669 --> 00:38:23,509
I would think I'd say but I think even

1059
00:38:27,489 --> 00:38:24,679
you worse than you a fault you follow

1060
00:38:29,529 --> 00:38:27,499
just they have a tendency to half grasp

1061
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:29,539
the scientific concept and run with it

1062
00:38:34,299 --> 00:38:32,089
so there I mentioned neurological you

1063
00:38:36,789 --> 00:38:34,309
know experiences there is a neurological

1064
00:38:38,589 --> 00:38:36,799
condition called phantosmia which is the

1065
00:38:39,909 --> 00:38:38,599
smelling of phantom smells often

1066
00:38:42,669 --> 00:38:39,919
associated with some sort of you know

1067
00:38:44,319 --> 00:38:42,679
brain disorder as usually the harbinger

1068
00:38:46,539 --> 00:38:44,329
of something worse in terms of someone's

1069
00:38:47,769 --> 00:38:46,549
health coming down the pike but you know

1070
00:38:48,909 --> 00:38:47,779
a lot of ghost researchers sort of

1071
00:38:50,709 --> 00:38:48,919
latched on to that and said oh

1072
00:38:53,649 --> 00:38:50,719
phantosmia so whenever you smell a

1073
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:53,659
spirit it's phantosmia no no no they

1074
00:38:56,859 --> 00:38:55,369
talked me as smelled by one person if

1075
00:38:58,779 --> 00:38:56,869
you have five people in a room smelling

1076
00:39:00,039 --> 00:38:58,789
a smell that you can't identify that not

1077
00:39:01,870 --> 00:39:00,049
been talking me I don't know what it is

1078
00:39:03,189 --> 00:39:01,880
and maybe is some sort of shared

1079
00:39:05,439 --> 00:39:03,199
hallucination and maybe a spirit

1080
00:39:07,029 --> 00:39:05,449
whatever but it's not ventas mia but you

1081
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:07,039
know ufology on the other hand has had

1082
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:09,049
an interest in UFOs smells for some time

1083
00:39:13,419 --> 00:39:11,209
there were some articles both in the

1084
00:39:15,339 --> 00:39:13,429
early MUFON journals and in the flying

1085
00:39:17,399 --> 00:39:15,349
saucer review publication that really

1086
00:39:19,509 --> 00:39:17,409
did try their best to break apart

1087
00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:19,519
exactly what it could mean again this is

1088
00:39:23,229 --> 00:39:21,619
you know a couple of articles that were

1089
00:39:24,279 --> 00:39:23,239
dedicated to this I think that somebody

1090
00:39:25,929 --> 00:39:24,289
should have written this book that I

1091
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:25,939
wrote a long time it comes like a good

1092
00:39:29,739 --> 00:39:28,130
starting point but you didn't find some

1093
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:29,749
people talking about it but the best

1094
00:39:34,209 --> 00:39:32,150
work that I have personally found on the

1095
00:39:35,709 --> 00:39:34,219
subject is something of more and more

1096
00:39:38,259 --> 00:39:35,719
recent years it was an essay that I

1097
00:39:40,809 --> 00:39:38,269
believe was completed in 2000 by

1098
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:40,819
ufologist by the name of Antonio F rulon

1099
00:39:46,029 --> 00:39:43,390
and a lot of what he did was sort of

1100
00:39:48,279 --> 00:39:46,039
foundational to this work and he

1101
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:48,289
determined that a lot of the symptoms he

1102
00:39:50,499 --> 00:39:49,309
was the one of the first people to

1103
00:39:52,569 --> 00:39:50,509
really categorize a lot of the symptoms

1104
00:39:54,099 --> 00:39:52,579
that people had in terms of the way the

1105
00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:54,109
smell would interact with some watering

1106
00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:56,839
eyes feeling ill feeling nauseous these

1107
00:40:01,719 --> 00:39:58,579
were things and he came as a conclusion

1108
00:40:04,539 --> 00:40:01,729
that in at least some of the cases that

1109
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:04,549
sulfur compounds were indeed at play as

1110
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:06,890
well which can a run counter to a lot of

1111
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:09,140
old guard ecology and a lot of old guard

1112
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:12,380
ufology felt that there were more you

1113
00:40:17,859 --> 00:40:15,650
know machine based smells like the smell

1114
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:17,869
of burning hydrocarbons again the smell

1115
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,740
of ozone

1116
00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:20,240
John keel was one of the few people who

1117
00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:22,070
really said you know it smells like it

1118
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:23,000
smells like sulfur

1119
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:25,790
but yeah so I have to take my hat off to

1120
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:28,130
an Tonio on that because it was one of

1121
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:29,960
those things where I'm like this is this

1122
00:40:33,609 --> 00:40:31,910
has got to be you know reference with

1123
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:33,619
due reverence in the book because of the

1124
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:36,250
great work that he put forward yeah and

1125
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:38,510
the alien thing is is so interesting

1126
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,330
because last time we talked about aliens

1127
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:44,210
possibly being a modern technological

1128
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:46,940
skin on the long history of fairy-like

1129
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,130
encounters but this book kind of does

1130
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:51,680
look at aliens more from the standard ET

1131
00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:54,350
hypothesis perspective i guess i'd ask

1132
00:40:58,210 --> 00:40:56,060
you if the study of smells did it

1133
00:40:59,560 --> 00:40:58,220
objectively move the needle for you at

1134
00:41:01,780 --> 00:40:59,570
all in this questionnaire you'd still

1135
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:01,790
right there in the middle i mean yeah

1136
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:04,610
yeah it did anybody that listens to me

1137
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,980
you know on anyway shows does and I'm

1138
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:09,200
still pretty flower on the Eph but the

1139
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:12,770
extra-terrestrial hypothesis is treated

1140
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:14,510
much more kindly in this book than it

1141
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:17,390
was in in a Trojan fees and honestly

1142
00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:19,250
like some some of the stuff kind of does

1143
00:41:23,710 --> 00:41:21,950
you know some stuff that it kind of does

1144
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:23,720
sort of suggest more of an

1145
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:25,820
extraterrestrial solution even though I

1146
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:27,740
still don't think that's the case it's

1147
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:30,230
opened me up to it for example one of

1148
00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:31,600
the compelling things to me is that

1149
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:34,340
meteorites and moon dust are often

1150
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:37,250
compared to gunpowder spells some

1151
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:38,780
astronauts said that you know whenever

1152
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:41,180
they would return to the lander that the

1153
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:42,710
moon dust on their shoes smelled just

1154
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:44,990
like someone had fired a carbine in the

1155
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:47,210
capsule and that again lines up with

1156
00:41:50,349 --> 00:41:48,920
some of these tales of you know sulfur

1157
00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:50,359
dioxides which we know we have really

1158
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:51,980
talked about too much but is is that

1159
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:53,810
sort of firework gunpowder smell that

1160
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,300
you do find with some UFO cases mm-hmm

1161
00:42:00,910 --> 00:41:58,160
you can also look at the facts that you

1162
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,920
know if we had not become carbon-based

1163
00:42:04,359 --> 00:42:02,960
life-forms in terms of you know abundant

1164
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,369
materials it's highly likely that we

1165
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:05,359
could have become sulfur-based

1166
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:06,830
life-forms what sort of implications

1167
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:09,260
would that have for odor in terms of

1168
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:10,700
extraterrestrials from other star

1169
00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:13,340
systems so it made me more sympathetic

1170
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:15,380
to it still doesn't mean I'm on board uh

1171
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:17,980
you know I'm I'm still very much as a

1172
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:20,270
spirit world very kind of guy I think

1173
00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:21,890
when if you were to hold my feet to the

1174
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:24,350
fire but it did definitely make it warm

1175
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:26,300
me up a little bit to that I'm right

1176
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:27,830
there with you man it's been a while

1177
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:29,660
since anything has pulled me back

1178
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:32,030
towards looking at these encounters with

1179
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:32,510
beings

1180
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:34,850
as actually aliens from another galaxy

1181
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:37,310
but the data in the book did a little

1182
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:39,830
bit because when people say aliens smell

1183
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,110
like ozone or other types of chemicals

1184
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:44,960
it's got to make you wonder is this some

1185
00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:47,450
ot related to the crafts are using

1186
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:49,700
usually UFOs or described as some kind

1187
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:52,850
of electrogravitics technology maybe

1188
00:42:58,090 --> 00:42:56,270
that odor is a byproduct of it or maybe

1189
00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:58,100
popping in and out of dimensions or

1190
00:43:03,240 --> 00:42:59,930
portals if they're using that for travel

1191
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:03,250
puts off that smell it's a curious thing

1192
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:05,750
yes it's one of those sort of things

1193
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:09,350
where if you look at these sort of

1194
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:10,580
possibilities that are opened up it's

1195
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:12,440
impossible to really sort of catalog and

1196
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:14,390
go down each of those roads I tried my

1197
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:15,980
best to say okay well conventional

1198
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:18,530
aircraft unconventional aircraft you

1199
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,180
know natural phenomena and I think

1200
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:21,680
there's something to be said that a lot

1201
00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:22,850
of Earth's lights happen around

1202
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:24,680
earthquakes and people say that a lot of

1203
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:26,810
earthquakes release you know sulfurous

1204
00:43:31,090 --> 00:43:29,510
volcanic gases and then you know the

1205
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:31,100
extra-terrestrial hypothesis maybe it's

1206
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:32,900
that so you make efficient only so many

1207
00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:34,370
hours in the day can we devote so much

1208
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:35,300
time to each of those different

1209
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:37,430
possibilities then you know I mean who

1210
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:39,470
knows maybe the black budget world has

1211
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:41,630
discovered a way to run you know

1212
00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:43,550
unconventional aircraft on rotten eggs

1213
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:45,860
they just released a stream of fart

1214
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:48,710
drawing sky as a Kim trail maybe that's

1215
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:50,810
maybe that's something you know just

1216
00:43:53,950 --> 00:43:52,370
stuff that we can't even comprehend

1217
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:53,960
could be the explanation for this so it

1218
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:55,550
makes it a little bit more frustrating

1219
00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:56,660
but I thought it would be to begin with

1220
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:00,140
all right it's always more maybes but in

1221
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:02,390
terms of stories you have one that I

1222
00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:04,010
thought was really interesting took

1223
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:07,640
place on November 11th 1987 so in my

1224
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:09,170
lifetime I always like the ones that

1225
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:10,790
don't have to go back you know hundreds

1226
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:13,250
of years but the sky edy Walters in Gulf

1227
00:44:17,290 --> 00:44:15,710
Breeze Florida I guess he saw a UFO was

1228
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:17,300
trying to get closer to it and he was

1229
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:20,150
stopped by a beam that he said smelled

1230
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:22,580
like cinnamon mixed with ammonia that's

1231
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:25,850
a weird one it is it's interesting

1232
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:29,210
because if you look at so the ed Walters

1233
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:31,210
case is a pretty famous case it's

1234
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,790
sullied a little bit because apparently

1235
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:36,800
someone who moved into Walters home

1236
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:40,040
later found a model of a UFO that looks

1237
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,960
suspiciously like some that we're seeing

1238
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,520
us in photograph with that water had

1239
00:44:48,339 --> 00:44:45,680
taken but if you look at that descript

1240
00:44:49,569 --> 00:44:48,349
cinnamon and ammonia the cinnamon sort

1241
00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:49,579
of lines up with some of the things that

1242
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,799
Whitley Strieber said but also you know

1243
00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:53,839
the cinnamon and ammonia both have this

1244
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:55,940
interesting qualities that I noticed

1245
00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:57,890
with a lot of others which is they are

1246
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,380
both strong stimulants of the trigeminal

1247
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:02,960
nerve so if you look at sort of the the

1248
00:45:06,579 --> 00:45:04,609
odors in a lot of these paranormal

1249
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:06,589
phenomena it's really does sort of a

1250
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:08,779
line Falls down the middle where it's

1251
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:11,720
other sulfur odors and non sulfur odors

1252
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,010
and it was interesting if you look at

1253
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:15,440
the non sulfur odors a lot of them seem

1254
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:17,510
to be strong stimulant to the trigeminal

1255
00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:18,980
nerve now if anybody doesn't know what

1256
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:21,740
that is you know go to your kitchen open

1257
00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:24,109
up your jar of vinegar and take a big

1258
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:25,640
whiff and tell me what you feel well

1259
00:45:28,839 --> 00:45:27,079
that's your trigeminal nerve it's what

1260
00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:28,849
makes you know spicy food spicy and cold

1261
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,920
food cold it's actually a one of the

1262
00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:33,200
largest nerves in the face it actually

1263
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:35,240
controls a lot of facial movement so I

1264
00:45:38,859 --> 00:45:36,619
thought it was sort of an interesting

1265
00:45:40,269 --> 00:45:38,869
evany to sort of look into as are what

1266
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:40,279
some what are some implications of the

1267
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:42,440
fact that some of these odors tend to be

1268
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:44,390
strong stimulants of the trigeminal

1269
00:45:48,279 --> 00:45:46,940
nerve and it seems to me that there

1270
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,289
perhaps could be some sort of

1271
00:45:53,529 --> 00:45:51,520
stimulating quality that might be

1272
00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:53,539
essential to the experience I don't know

1273
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:55,940
how coy I should be about about me about

1274
00:46:01,450 --> 00:45:58,430
my conclusion but I think of that a not

1275
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:01,460
inconsequential detail yeah I was going

1276
00:46:07,269 --> 00:46:03,770
to get to I do love that part that the

1277
00:46:09,970 --> 00:46:07,279
sense the trigger that nerve in our nose

1278
00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:09,980
are the same ones associated with these

1279
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:11,750
strange phenomena I mean that can't be

1280
00:46:16,839 --> 00:46:12,700
an accident

1281
00:46:19,269 --> 00:46:16,849
yeah I don't think so again like like

1282
00:46:21,099 --> 00:46:19,279
the things I find it it's always really

1283
00:46:23,950 --> 00:46:21,109
compelling to me whenever was my second

1284
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:23,960
book but whenever I'm writing the most

1285
00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:25,730
compelling things always just fall into

1286
00:46:28,299 --> 00:46:27,020
my lap well you know one of the most

1287
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:28,309
compelling things I think about the last

1288
00:46:31,779 --> 00:46:30,020
book was this idea that a lot of these

1289
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:31,789
entity foods corresponding to this

1290
00:46:36,430 --> 00:46:34,010
saatvik diet this diet that was favored

1291
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:36,440
by a Hindu mystics of holy men yeah and

1292
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:38,180
this whole trigeminal nerve angle once

1293
00:46:41,049 --> 00:46:39,529
again one of the things just completely

1294
00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:41,059
found on my lap and I said oh Nessen

1295
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:42,520
that's an interesting connection and

1296
00:46:47,549 --> 00:46:45,730
yeah I think that

1297
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:47,559
it's even more interesting when you view

1298
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:51,160
how those particular odors you know a

1299
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:53,380
fall on a spectrum with what certain

1300
00:46:57,539 --> 00:46:55,480
sulfur odors specifically hydrogen

1301
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:57,549
sulfide you know can do in terms with

1302
00:47:00,539 --> 00:46:58,750
that well you if you want to get into

1303
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:00,549
that we can't have it look fun

1304
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:03,730
well absolutely it is something we sort

1305
00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:06,130
of all know but overlook this connection

1306
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:08,799
between altered states and smell because

1307
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:11,049
we've seen movies where an unconscious

1308
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:13,270
person is woken up with smelling salts

1309
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,089
and there are also smells that can knock

1310
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:18,400
a person out and it's interesting that

1311
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:21,190
certain odors can almost act as an on

1312
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:22,990
and off switch for waking consciousness

1313
00:47:27,299 --> 00:47:25,180
and maybe there's a clue there because

1314
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,309
the connection between psychedelics and

1315
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:30,160
these contact experiences really

1316
00:47:34,109 --> 00:47:32,260
resonates with me and this could just be

1317
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:34,119
a natural parallel maybe instead of

1318
00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:35,980
eating mushrooms certain smells can be

1319
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:39,160
released that facilitate these weird

1320
00:47:44,490 --> 00:47:42,970
contact experiences yeah I mean it's

1321
00:47:46,799 --> 00:47:44,500
really interesting because smell is

1322
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:46,809
again it's also a good metaphor for the

1323
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:48,730
paranormal you know it surrounds us but

1324
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:50,200
we can't always see it but we can

1325
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,450
sometimes detect it and it influences us

1326
00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:54,160
even if we don't realize it but

1327
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:55,900
specifically in terms of what we're

1328
00:47:59,309 --> 00:47:57,790
talking about here yeah you talked about

1329
00:48:01,890 --> 00:47:59,319
smelling salts all these trigeminal

1330
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:01,900
stimulants are actually stimulants in

1331
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:03,430
that capacity the reason that smelling

1332
00:48:07,319 --> 00:48:05,140
salts work is because they are strong

1333
00:48:08,789 --> 00:48:07,329
trigeminal stimulants so they sort of

1334
00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:08,799
end up shocking you awake they're sort

1335
00:48:11,819 --> 00:48:10,420
of like the emergency button that your

1336
00:48:13,289 --> 00:48:11,829
body is able to press whenever they're

1337
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:13,299
pit with it and it's interesting if you

1338
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:17,980
compare that to sulfur smells the most

1339
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:21,270
common of which is hydrogen sulfide and

1340
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:24,220
about well seven years ago now at 2017

1341
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,500
some researchers were actually able to

1342
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:29,680
induce suspended animation in mice by

1343
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:31,930
using carefully monitored amounts of

1344
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,609
hydrogen sulfide hydrogen sulfide which

1345
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:35,890
again is a poisonous gas so don't go

1346
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:37,510
home and do this don't try this at home

1347
00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:39,730
kids but they were actually able to

1348
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:41,319
induce suspended animation these mice

1349
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:42,250
they basically rendered them

1350
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:45,960
cold-blooded if I recall correctly they

1351
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:49,660
actually dropped their breeding to ten

1352
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:51,220
breaths per minute from you know one

1353
00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:52,780
hundred and twenty breaths per minute as

1354
00:48:57,690 --> 00:48:55,720
mice and they brought their vibrator

1355
00:48:59,370 --> 00:48:57,700
down all the way to fifty one point

1356
00:49:02,340 --> 00:48:59,380
eight degrees Fahrenheit

1357
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,350
so I mean basically so suspended

1358
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:05,200
animation by definition would be an

1359
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:06,820
altered state of consciousness this

1360
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:08,440
isn't to say that hydrogen sulfide is

1361
00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:10,270
you know a hallucinogen it's not which

1362
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:11,800
is the reason again don't try as a host

1363
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:15,250
kid but if you are in that state it

1364
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:17,410
would by definition be an altered state

1365
00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:19,210
of consciousness so what my suggestion

1366
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:22,300
is is that perhaps this is sort of a way

1367
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:24,310
of setting the stage for something else

1368
00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:27,190
to come in and do its thing and I want

1369
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:28,870
to what I want to pull you out of that

1370
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:30,910
you get hit with the trigeminal

1371
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:32,920
stimulant and it you know brings you out

1372
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:34,840
of that facilitates a quick rapid return

1373
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:37,840
to your normal state of wakefulness yeah

1374
00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:39,640
I think you're really onto something

1375
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,360
there I love that suspended animation

1376
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:45,760
portion because that data is just so

1377
00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:47,110
interesting clearly there's some

1378
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:49,480
relationship that we just don't

1379
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:53,170
understand yet oh absolutely what's

1380
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:54,610
fascinating to me is that it's something

1381
00:50:00,300 --> 00:49:57,220
that you know has literally used as a

1382
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:00,310
chemical warfare agent if you're really

1383
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:02,140
careful with it could you know possibly

1384
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,750
be the secret to unlocking you know

1385
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:06,880
trips to the stars mm-hmm you know it's

1386
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:09,850
amazing that something that volatile can

1387
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:12,130
be that useful at the same time I love

1388
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:15,490
it man so again kind of trying to wrap

1389
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:16,900
this thing together I mentioned this in

1390
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,560
the intro but it does seem like focusing

1391
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:22,240
on these little details does give us

1392
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,250
clues into the big picture we talked

1393
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,160
about a lot of the insights in both

1394
00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:28,720
areas you know over the course of these

1395
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:31,360
two shows we've done but are there any

1396
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:33,130
other ways in which you think about

1397
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:35,710
these phenomenon differently after

1398
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:37,510
writing these two books that you have

1399
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:38,980
and rather than what you thought of them

1400
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:43,060
before yeah I mean I was always aware

1401
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:48,840
that there was a level of theater and

1402
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:51,430
manipulation involved you know the idea

1403
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:54,310
that we are allowed to see these things

1404
00:50:58,770 --> 00:50:56,170
in a lot of these cases especially in

1405
00:51:01,710 --> 00:50:58,780
you know the especially in the UFO

1406
00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:01,720
phenomena and the ghost phenomena and I

1407
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:03,100
think that's just really been

1408
00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:05,050
strengthened but even more so to the

1409
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:08,320
point that I think that we're allowed to

1410
00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:08,980
see it

1411
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:11,740
and things are specifically made to

1412
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,210
resonate with us because I

1413
00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:16,480
think we are inextricably a part of

1414
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:19,540
these things we are connected to this

1415
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:22,960
particular phenomena in a way that I

1416
00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:25,720
think is that that shares the burden of

1417
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:28,120
the way that we see it and what I mean

1418
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:30,310
by that I think that to let my good

1419
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:32,200
friend Greg Bishop I think we bring

1420
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:33,730
things to the dance when we see these

1421
00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:35,290
things I think we see something that is

1422
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:38,020
so alien in the dictionary sense of the

1423
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:40,180
word in terms of being foreign to us

1424
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:43,300
that we try our best to understand it

1425
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:48,130
and we draw upon whatever clues that we

1426
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:49,720
can to sort of fill in the missing

1427
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:51,850
blanks be they pop culture be their

1428
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:54,790
culture of our you know of our ethnicity

1429
00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:57,850
be they you know be they something from

1430
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,630
a perhaps from the collective

1431
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:00,640
unconscious whatever is happening is we

1432
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:02,380
are meeting this thing halfway and that

1433
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:04,060
has been really strengthened by by what

1434
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:05,560
I've been seeing over the past couple

1435
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:06,790
years hmm

1436
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:09,130
great point right oh man well

1437
00:52:14,010 --> 00:52:12,130
fascinating stuff as always before we go

1438
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:14,020
do tell the people about anything else

1439
00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:15,730
you got going on or where they can keep

1440
00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:19,540
up with you in this mad mad world well

1441
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:23,470
you can hop on to joshua kuchen com I

1442
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:25,150
keep a list of every interview I've ever

1443
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,970
done there you also I can find links

1444
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,640
there to both books trojan feast and the

1445
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:33,040
brimstone deceit if you don't want to

1446
00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:34,780
navigate my website you can just hop on

1447
00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:36,580
over to Amazon or Barnes & Noble

1448
00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:38,740
it's available both books are available

1449
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:41,350
in paperback and Kindle format attorney

1450
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:42,610
fees it's actually they will available

1451
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:46,210
in hardcover as well and you can catch

1452
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:49,450
me on more or less a weekly basis at the

1453
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:51,190
where did the road go podcast which is

1454
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:54,130
where did the road go calm and I'm on

1455
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,440
there frequently with red pill junky and

1456
00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:58,980
Micha he and mica Hughes Mike Hughes and

1457
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:01,660
Soraya's cap doing a bunch of

1458
00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:04,290
roundtables and uh get a chance to

1459
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:08,590
rattle on there so it'd like to thank

1460
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:10,120
you Greg for having me on here it's

1461
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:12,580
always their interviews that I do where

1462
00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:13,900
I'm like okay I'm gonna do this and just

1463
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:15,340
go find my way through and then their

1464
00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:16,540
interviews that I actually get excited

1465
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:18,100
about this is this is one of those so

1466
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:19,420
thank you for having me back I really

1467
00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:21,160
appreciate it awesome and you are too

1468
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:23,380
kind it is my pleasure you're the man

1469
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:25,060
keep doing what you do and take care out

1470
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,330
there

1471
00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:27,540
thanks so much Greg ticker

1472
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,790
there we go higher side shatters Joshua

1473
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:34,240
kuchen the sensation sensation a lot of

1474
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:35,650
people been asking me to go back to

1475
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:37,660
paranormal and cryptozoology and I do

1476
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:39,490
love that stuff but it's hard to find

1477
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:41,410
new angles and stories that most

1478
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:43,810
enthusiasts haven't heard before but

1479
00:53:50,579 --> 00:53:47,410
Josh JC Johnson while Blackburn Linda

1480
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:50,589
Godfrey those are some great episodes

1481
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:54,130
but it is just tough Mike Cleland and

1482
00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:56,380
the owl angle was good recently and

1483
00:54:01,710 --> 00:53:58,900
Josh's food-based and smell based

1484
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:01,720
approaches are also interesting smell

1485
00:54:06,839 --> 00:54:05,200
does get a bit more vague and broad but

1486
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,849
there were some aspects that really

1487
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:08,800
clicked for me the smell of decay and

1488
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:10,930
decomposition in certain situations I

1489
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:13,540
guess I might be sort of expected but it

1490
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,490
also kind of speaks to the mechanism

1491
00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:18,160
behind those accounts maybe the clues

1492
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:20,500
around odor and the abduction experience

1493
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:22,690
do actually suggest that it's it's own

1494
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:25,720
phenomenon personally I've started to

1495
00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:28,290
think of those things more as a cult or

1496
00:54:33,089 --> 00:54:31,300
magic-based but I still like to come

1497
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:33,099
back to the traditional angle once in a

1498
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,170
while because I would never try to be so

1499
00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:37,359
arrogant as to say I figured it out I

1500
00:54:43,950 --> 00:54:41,740
just leaned towards long standing maybe

1501
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:43,960
earth-based encounters told through

1502
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:46,390
different cultural lenses either way

1503
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:48,730
josh is a great guy who clearly works

1504
00:54:53,069 --> 00:54:50,619
hard and does like to bring new things

1505
00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:53,079
to the table rather than the way some

1506
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:55,000
people can phone it in and just churn

1507
00:54:59,849 --> 00:54:57,220
out a bunch of paranormal books these

1508
00:55:01,859 --> 00:54:59,859
are both really in depth and the

1509
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:01,869
suspended animation stuff that we ended

1510
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:03,550
the first hour with is really

1511
00:55:07,819 --> 00:55:05,770
fascinating isn't it of course smells

1512
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:07,829
and their connection to altered states

1513
00:55:12,329 --> 00:55:10,569
also got to get a kick out of that kind

1514
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:12,339
of weird because obviously we know we

1515
00:55:16,829 --> 00:55:14,710
can ingest something or smoke something

1516
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:16,839
and reach an altered state but just an

1517
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:19,000
odor I mean it's clear when you think

1518
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:20,710
about it but definitely something I

1519
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:23,230
often forget again all these sorts of

1520
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:25,720
sightings from goat suckers to Lobster

1521
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,500
headed angels

1522
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,050
I think altered states are a big part of

1523
00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:31,690
these things maybe the endogenous DMT

1524
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:34,780
dumps aspect is in play I hear these

1525
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:36,430
things and I do take people at their

1526
00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:39,250
word but critics do say well where's the

1527
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:40,600
physical evidence whereas

1528
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:42,700
fossil record for Bigfoot and you're

1529
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,350
just not going to get anywhere like that

1530
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:46,240
it's not going to fit in the materialist

1531
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:48,040
box but that doesn't make it any less

1532
00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:51,610
valid so interesting stuff if you're

1533
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:53,560
wanting a little more to satisfy your

1534
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,570
hunger for strange in the second hour we

1535
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:57,760
talked about a lot of things you might

1536
00:56:03,300 --> 00:55:59,950
not have expected but Terence Mckenna

1537
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,310
and the mysterious octopi the foul and

1538
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,200
detailed description of the big foot

1539
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:08,500
odor stillborn lambs the saga the mass

1540
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:11,650
gasser of Mattoon MIB and black-eyed

1541
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:13,060
children encounters and their

1542
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:15,070
accompanying odors star jelly the

1543
00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:17,230
calking of the firmament alchemy and its

1544
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:19,030
place in the discussion and in Josh's

1545
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:21,670
book the olfactory philosophy of Plato

1546
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:24,250
and Aristotle odors described in the

1547
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:26,890
Lesser Key of Solomon smells and magical

1548
00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:29,920
ritual more rules of entity engagement

1549
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:32,380
and a whole lot more so plenty of stuff

1550
00:56:36,510 --> 00:56:34,540
to keep a person entertained five bucks

1551
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:36,520
a month gets you five shows a month

1552
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:39,190
yadda yadda sign up for you don't sign

1553
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:41,380
up for me plus you get that lifetime

1554
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:44,800
forum access now free downloads to all

1555
00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:47,170
the higher side music people ask me all

1556
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:48,760
the time where they can buy the music

1557
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:51,310
and I say just sign up and it's yours or

1558
00:56:54,860 --> 00:56:53,230
chop the songs off the end of any show

1559
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:54,870
and tell me to go [\h__\h] myself

1560
00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:58,000
fireside chats plus calm how's that for

1561
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:01,660
a sales pitch big thanks again to Josh

1562
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:03,430
and really all the February guests

1563
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:06,520
Jumanji near J Dyer Austin Copic and

1564
00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:08,890
Ryan Zimmerman pretty diverse spread of

1565
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:11,620
topics with a definite emphasis on magic

1566
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,690
and a lot of return guests to four out

1567
00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:15,880
of five I wonder how people feel about

1568
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:16,390
that

1569
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:18,970
because when I hear a guest returning to

1570
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:20,830
a podcast that I've heard them on I

1571
00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:23,050
typically like it more I feel like

1572
00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:25,480
there's more camaraderie and that kind

1573
00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:27,700
of thing but I also like discovering new

1574
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,980
people and getting into new people's

1575
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:31,440
heads so it goes both ways

1576
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:34,270
looking at March I think it's all new

1577
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:37,630
guests some well-known some completely

1578
00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:40,210
unknown and some threads I've never

1579
00:57:44,610 --> 00:57:42,280
really heard before that I just can't

1580
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:44,620
get out of my head now so psyched to get

1581
00:57:50,610 --> 00:57:46,990
them out if I'm being honest two are

1582
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,620
probably just alright one is really good

1583
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:52,720
if you can get past the guests obsession

1584
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:54,550
with returning to a particular subject

1585
00:58:00,540 --> 00:57:57,250
that I never really asked about and to

1586
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,550
are just [\h__\h] phenomenal guys two of

1587
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:02,670
them I think are instant classics to me

1588
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:06,490
so remember what I said here and maybe

1589
00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:08,230
you can decode what I'm saying by the

1590
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:10,870
end of next month might as well get Plus

1591
00:58:15,810 --> 00:58:12,550
now so you're locked and loaded anyway

1592
00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:15,820
I've done my part your move smelly

1593
00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:18,190
spirits aromatic aliens and Oh terrific

1594
00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:19,300
entities

1595
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:27,460
you're [\h__\h] welcome this morning we

1596
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:34,770
die in my eye they realize it was

1597
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:41,710
outside it was lie

1598
00:58:57,290 --> 00:58:54,550
down from the guy let's see those

1599
00:59:02,810 --> 00:58:57,300
stranger

1600
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:02,820
every night who started his night with

1601
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:11,650
people a time mini Bluegreen husband the

1602
00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:18,210
home and the dog I get home

1603
00:59:32,670 --> 00:59:27,380
get the spaceman

1604
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:32,680
won't you please take me along how long

1605
00:59:56,580 --> 00:59:42,850
do anything wrong hey mr. faceless all

1606
01:00:05,610 --> 00:59:56,590
to please hit me along the hot white we

1607
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:15,800
open my window they written my me

1608
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:21,780
[Music]

1609
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:25,140
and

1610
01:00:39,550 --> 01:00:33,180
won't leave me alone do anything wrong

1611
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:39,560
hey it's a fake

1612
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:44,170
all you clean me

1613
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:45,970
[Music]

1614
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:09,800
oh please take me how long while you

1615
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:10,920
play